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Submarines: Delays with or without reason?

April 20 2008

During the visit of German chansellor Angela Merkel to Athens in July 2007, it was mutually decided with the Greek government to resolve any problems between the two goverments.
In this respect, the German government has officially forwarded on 03.01.2008 the revelant proposals through the German Ambassador to Greece dr. Wolfgang Schultheiss to the office of defence minister E. Meimarakis. Based on a protocol between the Greek Navy and TKMS from February 2007, the proposal suggests an assessment in the framework of G-to-G by the German Navy and the BWB. In mid February 2008, the German Ambassador sent a relevant letter of reminder to the Defence Minister. The latter with a letter (28.02.2008) only to the German Company TKMS and not to the German Government rejected indirectly the German proposals, ignoring that the initiative came from the German chancellor’s office. The thriller carries on with a meeting on 19.03.2008 of the German Ambassador with E. Meimarakis. The Greek Defence Minister has now suggested the existing contract for the acquisition of the submarines of 2000 to be transformed to a governement-to-governemnt pact.
Thus, the submarines issues remains open duet o the new delay!
Why? Is it because of all impending decissions on armament programs so that the resolutions of the submarine issue can serve as a “political allowance” to the German government?
Of course, time will show the real intensions of the Defence Ministry’s political leadership.
Unfortunately, time is restricted for the labour force of Skaramangas Shipyards, which now faces cuts due to the shipyards’ economis “instability” as a result of the submarines’ thriller and the delays. Meanwhile, costs and financial demands by the shipyard in Greece increased to more than 400 mln euros. It is surprising that a submarines of the same 214-class was recently accepted by the Navy of South Korea.

Source: http://www.amyntika.gr/en/

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Oct 13 08 3:52 PM

Issues solved.
Seems like the greek navy will finally get her new toy...and the greek navy officers onboard the Papanikolis were "very impressed" according to the germans.
From what I hear some till yet unknown "specials" of the greek U214 are indeed very impressive.
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So..Mirages2005,Leopards,Erieyes,U214..NH-90 next.

And the arms companies continue to party.. greekturkish/blingbling.gif

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Aug 5 09 8:50 AM

bump

Just wanted to remind friend Mavrogenides his words of almost a year ago. greekturkish/popcorn.gif

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Oct 2 09 12:41 PM

Wonder is Mavrogenides has face to show up ever in this topic again greekturkish/paperbag.gif

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Oct 21 09 9:02 AM

Greece and Germany close to sub agreement

Wednesday October 21, 2009

Greece and Germany appear set to make some headway in solving a long-running dispute over the delivery of four submarines but the fate of a shipyard west of Athens remains in doubt following a high-level meeting yesterday.

Defense Minister Evangelos Venizelos held talks with ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems CEO Hans Christoph Atzpodien yesterday in a bid to resolve the issue of the outstanding submarine order, which has weighed heavily on Greek-German relations in recent years.

Greece has identified technical problems with the Type 214 diesel-electric submarine, manufactured by ThyssenKrupp, as being the reason for not accepting delivery of the four vessels that it ordered between 2001 and 2005. The first submarine, dubbed Papanikolis, has been docked in Kiel since 2006.

There was an agreement to build three of the submarines and refurbish another three at Hellenic Shipyards, west of Athens.

Sources said that ThyssenKrupp appears determined to quit its involvement in the shipyards as early as next month, despite government concerns about the job losses that this might cause. There were, however, discussions between the two sides about how some private involvement in the shipyards could continue.

Venizelos and Atzpodien are also said to have reached an agreement on the first submarine. An unidentified third country is reported to be interested in buying the vessel and the two sides have agreed that selling it would be the best way out of the current impasse.

The two men reportedly agreed that if the technical problems are ironed out, Greece will accept delivery of the remaining three submarines.

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Jan 25 10 8:53 AM

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Feb 11 10 12:21 PM

Greece is almost bankrupt ... cant pay for her public services, HOW DO YOU THINK IT CAN PAY FOR TOYS ??? greekturkish/sex.gif greekturkish/owned.gif
Greece lied about how the Subs were sub-standard however the Germans, Koreans + Turks like it ... maybe they can afford them greekturkish/Victory.gif

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May 7 10 10:58 AM

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Nov 3 10 2:58 PM

QUOTE (sam - melbourne @ February 11, 2010 12:21 pm)
Greece is almost bankrupt ... cant pay for her public services, HOW DO YOU THINK IT CAN PAY FOR TOYS ??? greekturkish/sex.gif greekturkish/owned.gif
Greece lied about how the Subs were sub-standard however the Germans, Koreans + Turks like it ... maybe they can afford them greekturkish/Victory.gif

u said what scumbag?

say that again......


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